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Woolwich Grand under threat – and Greenwich Theatre too?

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Woolwich Grand Theatre, 24 November 2013

The campaign is on to save the Woolwich Grand Theatre, which faces demolition after being open for less than two years. But it’s not the only arts venue in the area with a shadow on the horizon, with concerns being raised over the long-term future of Greenwich Theatre too.

Woolwich Grand Theatre, 24 November 2013While the news about Woolwich Grand Theatre has come as a shock to many, the site has been earmarked for redevelopment by the council for some time. The freeholder, Thirty Eight Wellington Street Ltd, is in administration.

The original Woolwich Grand Theatre opened in 1900, but later became a cinema before being demolished in 1939. The current building opened in 1955 as the Regal Cinema, later becoming the ABC Woolwich before closing in 1982. It was used on and off as a nightclub until 2008.

Woolwich Grand Theatre founder Adrian Green gained planning permission to use it as an arts venue in 2011, opening the doors at the beginning of 2012.

While the building still requires a lot of work on it (£630,000-worth, according to the developer) the main auditorium has been used for concerts and films, while a smaller space upstairs has been used for plays and other events.

Local politicians have been keen to associate themselves with the theatre – it’s being used a lot for events in the campaign to be the Labour candidate for Greenwich & Woolwich – but Greenwich Council’s backing has only been lukewarm.

In July this year, a report for housing cabinet member Steve Offord showed the Grand Theatre site as having “development potential”.

Greenwich Council Bridge The Gap campaign photo, January 2013This appeared to be bit of a smack in the face for Green. Six months earlier, he’d posed in a hard hat alongside council leader Chris Roberts to promote the council’s support for the Silvertown Tunnel, presumably try to get the council on board with his plans for the theatre.

In terms of planning, the council includes the Woolwich Grand Theatre as part of the Bathway Quarter. This was the old administrative heart of Woolwich, which now lies neglected. It includes the listed Old Town Hall, the former Island Site of Thames Polytechnic/ Greenwich University and the old swimming baths/ student union.

The council’s Woolwich Masterplan states: “This area has a rich character which should be preserved though sensitive residential-led refurbishment with active uses at ground floor to create a distinct urban quarter. This area has the potential to be a high quality, high-specification, loft-style place with bars, galleries and artists’ studios together with other uses such as a jazz club and creative industries such as architects’ studios.”

Woolwich Grand TheatreNow Upminster-based developer Secure Sleep wants to knock the Woolwich Grand down and build flats there instead – with no sign of any arts usage for the site whatsoever. You can see the full planning application on the Greenwich Council website.

Architect Nigel Ostime told The Stage: “The theatre doesn’t appear to be a commercially viable proposition. As such, when you’ve got a big building that has a lot of maintenance needs, it requires money breathed into it to make it work properly. Sadly, there isn’t the money to do that.

“We are proposing to demolish the building to create homes for people. There is a great need for housing in London, and this would help to fill that gap.”

No money around, eh? We’ll come back to that point later. A petition’s been launched to save the Woolwich Grand Theatre – and a decision is expected in February.

The threat to the Woolwich Grand Theatre is imminent and real. But a few miles west, there are more long-term worries about Greenwich Theatre.

Greenwich Theatre

Last week, Greenwich Council’s cabinet agreed plans to create a “performing arts hub” at the council-owned Greenwich Borough Hall on Royal Hill, which is currently home to Greenwich Dance Agency. However, details of the proposal have been kept secret, which the council says is due to their financial implications, while the decision has been rushed through to meet a deadline to apply for Heritage Lottery Fund money.

“As well as providing a significantly improved facility, the proposed investment will reduce maintenance costs overall helping to secure the long-term sustainability of performing arts in the borough,” the cabinet paper says – which would suggest that other venues may be closed.

“At the same time, it has not been possible to bring the proposals to Cabinet before now due to the on-going discussions with the arts organisations who will be affected and therefore it has not been possible on this occasion to provide the 28 days’ notice required for a key decision,” it adds.

Several sources say Greenwich’s long-term strategy is to move Greenwich Theatre into the Borough Hall. I’ve also been told this idea has been deferred until after 2014’s council election after objections from local councillors, although I’ve not been able to confirm this.

Indeed, tampering with Greenwich Theatre could well be electoral suicide in west Greenwich. The area’s already lost one theatre recently, after the owners of the Greenwich Playhouse theatre illegally turned the venue into a hostel, then exploited a planning loophole which left councillors taking the flak when it belatedly came before a committee this summer. (A plan for it to reopen in the Creekside development in Deptford has so far not materialised.) And plans to demolish the Trident Hall, which was also used for plays, and replace it with a hotel have also reappeared recently.

Greenwich Borough HallsBut more importantly, it’s likely that such a plan would be unworkable, considering the Borough Hall is more like a school hall than a theatre. Indeed, it would be much more suitable as a music venue than one for staging plays.

Unlike the Woolwich Grand, the council is directly involved in the fate of Greenwich Theatre. The old Metropolitan Borough of Greenwich bought the then-derelict Hippodrome Picture Palace site in 1962, planning to redevelop it.

But a local campaign resulted in its successor, the current council, leasing it to the Greenwich Theatre, which opened after rebuilding works in 1969.

Now the Crooms Hill site is believed to be in need of repairs – hence the proposal to turn the clock back 50 years and sell it, rather than fix it.

While the idea appears to have been kicked into the long grass for now, theatre fans in Greenwich should be staying vigilant about the venue’s future. There’s already talk of having Greenwich Theatre declared an asset of community value, which would put a six-month brake on any proposal to sell it. That said, it would need Greenwich Council to agree to ACV status – which would call the council’s bluff somewhat.

But the arts hub proposal reveals there is funding available for arts projects – even during this time of cuts. So with the right management, it’s clear Woolwich Grand Theatre could be saved, if the money can be raised to buy the freehold from a firm in administration, and if Greenwich Council has the political will to give campaigners time by declaring the building an asset of community value.

Furthermore, it’s worth questioning the point in having any arts hub if there’s no arts policy in place. In recent years Greenwich has pulled back from funding venues such as Blackheath Halls and Conservatoire, and has instead put cash into recurring events under the Royal Greenwich Festivals banner. The trouble with this strategy, though, is that it doesn’t leave much of a legacy once the festival’s over.

And rushing through a decision to make an arts hub in west Greenwich doesn’t really make much sense when you’re supposed to be creating a quarter of bars and “jazz clubs” over in Woolwich. Doing it all in secret doesn’t look good either – but then that’s the way Chris Roberts’ increasingly chaotic administration does things.

Perhaps the Woolwich Grand’s woes will provide a chance to step back, rethink, and come up with something clearer. I wouldn’t bank on it, though…

12.10pm update: Coincidentally, Royal Museums Greenwich is opening up a performance space in the Cutty Sark in the new year.

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  1. Some of us are old enough to remember that Greenwich Theatre was closed for several years around the millennium for want of a few thousand pounds while money was poured into that great white elephant the Millennium Dome. Let’s not let that happen again.

    Steve

    25 November, 2013 at 9:31 am

  2. I think it was a year/18 months in the late 1990s after Arts Council funding dried up.

    Darryl

    25 November, 2013 at 12:12 pm

  3. More ‘open government’. The catalogue grows bigger.

    Incredible. You just couldn’t make it up.

    Chris

    25 November, 2013 at 2:28 pm

  4. And that ended a glorious period for the Greenwich Theatre. In the late 1970s and the 1980s Greenwich Theatre was the first place in London that staged Alan Ayckbourn’s plays after they were premiered in Scarborough and before they moved to the West End. It also premiered Another Country before it went on to the West End and then became a movie. This is when Alan Strachan was artistic director, and he did a wonderful job.

    My wife, who then lived in Crooms Hill, and I were members of the theatre’s first-nighters club, which meant we got to see all of these, and more, on their first nights — followed by drinks in the bar, filled with the actors’ and production team’s friends. Who’s that standing next to me, I thought one night. Oh, it’s Sting.

    The theatre was then open six days a week, with a fresh production every two or three months. The
    bar and café/restaurent, at lunchtimes and in the evenings, including Sundays, I seem to remember, was a fantastic Greenwich venue in its own right.

    Alan Burkitt-Gray

    25 November, 2013 at 2:32 pm

  5. ‘And that ended …’ refers to the end of Arts Council funding. Sorry for the ‘restaurant’ typo!

    Alan Burkitt-Gray

    25 November, 2013 at 2:33 pm

  6. […] cheered me right up and I was just about to do a jolly piece about it, when I came across this timely and worrying post by 853 Blog that talks of the iminent and very real threat to the Woolwich Grand theatre, next door to the town […]

  7. Hope someone is telling new Greenwich Theatre patron Dame Helen Mirren about this proposed vandalism. A glorified community hall is not and never will be a theatre. Only the other week scores of students and pupils from local schools, primary as well a secondary, took part in the national Shakespeare festival – on a real stage, in a real theatre, the experience of a lifetime. It’ll be railings and handcuffs time for hundreds of us if this madness gets anywhere near reality. Max Wall must be turning in his grave. And as for that Newspeak word “hub” – God help us…

    Peter Cordwell

    25 November, 2013 at 6:26 pm

  8. Peter — and the actors who’ve appeared there since the 1970s. On the theatre’s own site are listed: Mia Farrow, Charles Dance and Glenda Jackson (who’s a local, of course). There are hundreds of others.

    Alan Burkitt-Gray

    25 November, 2013 at 6:33 pm

  9. Woolwich is teeming with flats as it is.

    Replacing the only theatre (tramshed aside) with a non-descript block of them just seems plain wrong.

    Colin O'Donnell

    25 November, 2013 at 8:00 pm

  10. Yes. Political will needed all round. Great girl, Glenda, a real socialist too. Anyone got her number?

    Peter Cordwell

    25 November, 2013 at 10:15 pm

  11. Whilst Greenwich Theatre is not the great in-house production theatre it used to be, having had the pleasure of performing there a couple of times, I’d be sad to see it go.

    Trevor Allman

    26 November, 2013 at 1:38 am

  12. We need more than sad, Trevor. Having helped out at the Back to The Valley campaign, this strikes me as a candidate for a one-issue local election campaign in the immediate ward(s). Don’t know if Mary Mills feels strongly on the subject but if she did she’d be the perfect candidate. Or Glenda if she’s up for it?

    Peter Cordwell

    26 November, 2013 at 8:08 am

  13. It seems strange that any local authority would wish to subsidise a small minorty’s lesuire pursuit of choice. Middle class welfare you have to love it.

    Richard

    26 November, 2013 at 8:59 am

  14. Funny how odd comments rarely have a full name. Who on earth could Richard be?

    Peter Cordwell

    26 November, 2013 at 9:11 am

  15. Dicky-baby, I saw Felicity Kendall at Greenwich in “Arms and the Man” – does this make me middle class?

    In the 70’s and 80’s, there was not a noticable feeling of small minority. We had youth clubs sharing secondary school buildings and the wonderful Greenwich Young People’s Theatre building in Plumstead – more cross-fertilization, and then scope for youth and community groups to perform in big venues. Loads of fantastic gigs have happened at Greenwich Theatre, too. Where else in the borough can you get to see the ilk of Ivor Cutler and Max Wall?

    The Albany is a jewel in the crown of Deptford – surely the Woolwich Grand is just the sort of asset we need to attract and promote creative communities?

    Ashleigh

    therealdecoy

    27 November, 2013 at 1:12 pm

  16. Greenwich Theatre provides a very wide range of theatrical events from the “high brow” – to children’s theatre – to school drama groups – to comedy – to educational presentations – to pantomime. Ditto the Woolwich Grand. Why the inverted snobbery Richard? Why the assumption that only the middle classes visit the theatre?

    Deborah O'Boyle

    27 November, 2013 at 4:55 pm

  17. Exactly, Deborah. I can remember in the 70s when it had that intimidating black tie feel to it. Now it provides the diversity that most people admire and it’s in danger! Madness.

    Peter Cordwell

    1 December, 2013 at 9:57 am

  18. Contrasts with the puff piece for the plans in Greenwich Time, of course.

    Darryl

    11 December, 2013 at 8:01 pm

  19. At the pantomime tonight, there was an interesting response from the audience to the line, “Ah, now we know who the evil gnome really is.” “Chris Roberts!”

    Deborah

    26 December, 2013 at 11:09 pm

  20. The Greenwich Phantom must have been in the audience: http://www.thegreenwichphantom.co.uk/advent/

    Darryl

    26 December, 2013 at 11:27 pm


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