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Ten-storey pub song – Hardys hotel hits duff note

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This one’s a bit close to home – Hardys Free House on Trafalgar Road has been my regular drinking den for eight or nine years now. Until fairly recently, it was where you’d go to find me if you wanted to see me, and you’d have a pretty good chance of catching me in there. Despite its slightly forbidding exterior, it was quite simply one of the best pubs in London, serving up fantastic Guinness and good company.

Planning submission for Hardys Hotel developmentCouples met there and friendships were formed behind those stained glass windows. It was run by the same couple for nearly a quarter of a century, and when I went to Ireland earlier this year, I made a special trip west to Sligo to catch up with their old bar manager, who also had a share in the pub.

But Hardys changed hands a few years ago and some of its sheen has gone as it’s been passed from manager to manager – that loss of continuity has taken its toll on the place, and the Guinness. For live music the Pelton Arms has become a better bet. But you’ll find me in Hardys at least once each week, since it’s where a great big bunch of my mates drink, and the chance of Thursday quiz night glory is often too great to pass up.

I found out about the owners’ plans to build a hotel on it about two years ago. Not by talking to the owners, but by noticing a drawing outside an architects’ practice in Greenwich Market. “What the…?” A fairly modest proposal was thrown out by Greenwich Council, and I assumed the plans had died. Relations between Hardys and its neighbours are strained – the next door block of flats had a slightly convoluted birth (they sit on the site of a long-closed cinema which became a frozen food store, which duly collapsed during redevelopment). The neighbours object to the pub noise; the pub objects to the neighbours’ windows, contending that they shouldn’t be overlooking its tiny beer garden in the first place.

But the hotel plans are back – if you’re lucky enough to get a copy of the Mercury delivered to you, you’ll have read about the plans for to plonk eight storeys of hotel on top of the two-storey pub. According to the planning application, Greenwich Council actually encouraged them to come up with this lump.

Owners London Taverns Ltd claim they were advised of an “urgent need for [a] high quality hotel… high ‘iconic’ landmark building encouraged, no need to keep to scale of surrounding buildings”. Which I imagine will come as a shock to most locals – in all the conversations I’ve had in Hardys, nobody’s ever said that Trafalgar Road needs a 10-storey high lump which looks vaguely like a Nintendo Wii. Once again, it’s an example of the council seemingly operating in a different universe to most other people.

Increased beer taxes and the smoking ban mean pubs have to work harder to get a crowd in now – I don’t think I’m going to be barred for saying that Hardys’ attempts at broadening its base of punters have stuttered a bit. But I fear for the future of the pub if this is what’s up their sleeve. One tale I’ve heard is that Sunderland and Republic of Ireland midfielder Andy Reid wanted to buy the pub after adopting it as his local when he played for Charlton Athletic – at the time, he was involved in a music bar in Nottingham. I can’t help wishing he’d offered just that little bit more money now…

So far 17 people have objected to the planning application, and Peninsula councillor Mary Mills wants to know what people think of the scheme.

Written by Darryl

13 May, 2010 at 7:00 am

Posted in local stuff, pubs

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  1. I have to say I find this proposal truly shocking, and on so many levels. It looks as out of place as those three figures standing in the middle of Trafalgar Road with their backs to the traffic. I wish the proposal as much chance of surviving as those 3 people would have if they tried standing there in real life.

    As for people who buy property next to pubs and then complain about the noise that pubs generate…

    marmoset

    13 May, 2010 at 9:00 am

  2. Very odd. The previous scheme (ref 09/2293/F in the Greenwich planners’ system, if anyone wants to look for themselves)was relatively inoffensive. I imagine the planners’ comment about building higher simply meant ‘bring it forward onto the street line’ not shoot it up to eight floors. It looks a bit like something that escaped from a mythical non-plan zone somewhere in Vienna. Pray it doesn’t happen. Can’t seriously imagine it will.

    Otter

    13 May, 2010 at 10:38 am

  3. Which reminds me… whatever happened to Frank Dowling’s plan to turn the Trident Hall (next to the Trafalgar Tavern) into a hotel?

    As for people who buy property next to pubs and then complain about the noise that pubs generate…

    - I fear for the Pelton Arms on that basis. Hardys did manage to lose a lot of goodwill when the idiot who ran the place straight after the sale flung the back doors open while bands were playing, and held a fair amount of after hours business out the back. Durrr.

    The worst example is actually over in Brentford – lovely Irish pub called O’Riordans, sat right on the Thames, suddenly joined by flats with balconies immediately adjacent to the beer garden. Cue complaints, and now patrons are warned to be very very quiet in the beer garden they’ve enjoyed for years.

    Darryl

    13 May, 2010 at 10:54 am

  4. Now that was a good pre match watering hole – if we dont do the deed then we will be back there, hopefully in the summer!

    That drawing just looks wrong in every possible way.

    Brenda

    13 May, 2010 at 11:09 am

  5. Theat’s surely a mistake. I simply cannot believe Greenwich planning department would permit, let alone encourage that. It goes against basic design rules. Having lived around the country in various areas and found Greenwich planning department to be the worst and least concerned with good developments I’ve encountered, I still cannot believe that would pass.

    James

    13 May, 2010 at 4:37 pm

  6. I was particularly concerned about the comment in the application that appeared to be encouraging the council to use this as a test case, so allow other similar building in the area!

    Claire

    18 May, 2010 at 6:12 pm

  7. [...] a comment » Something to drink to this Friday evening – the controversial plan to build a towering hotel on top of Hardys Free House on Trafalgar Road, Greenwich, has been thrown out by Greenwich [...]


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